Females are not allowed to voluntarily fight in the arena. having the younger and lesser equipped troops in the frontlines was apart of roman strategies, the first wave was the newest and lowest ranked soldiers would attack as skirmisher attacking with javelins moving in and out to try to disrupt the enemies formations, now unlike the legion this first wave was not only allowed to retreat but expected to once the second wave of troops was ready to advance. They won't tax you, you won't be evicted, and if they tried you would blast them to oblivion like you did the raiders. Therefore, people assume he would be a hope of sorts for the wasteland since he can attain this power, and while it would be true, his structure is so twisted at it's core even he himself can turn his loyal slaves against him through one change that doesn't suit his character. in the second wave you'd have your slightly more experienced troops followed by your best troops with your oldest most experienced troops in the forth wave, now the 4th wave was equipped with a weapon similar to a pike there are two theories as to why this was the first is that they would be acting as camp defenders and to protect the troops from enemy cavalry in the event of a rout and the second theory is to stop men from retreating from the battlefield. How do you stop legion assassins I have sided with mr house the entire game and now caesars legion assassins just tried to kill me and i only just escaped, is there anythin i can do to stop legion assassins trying to kill me, and if not: how common are these attacks Being a part of the Empire, even if it will make fighting the Thalmor easier, will still cost the Nords their homogeneity due to the typical globalisation and migration effect that empires have. Posts promoting or facilitating piracy in any way will be removed. I'm interested to see the type of cartoons you see. The reason the Legion has slaves is because they conquer people, put them to work, work them until they die, and conquer another people. The only half good one I've heard is "oh muh antithisis" and most common one is "But it's a wasteland". The Legion is more effective in getting rid of these people because they aren't bothered by things like due process. Unless you were a woman or slave, then it was pretty much the same as what we saw in the game. It could add a sense of panic as you navigate through it while constantly defending yourself from what are basically zombies, [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children). The following member of the dynasty is lighter, and loved--the hard stuff has already been done. Regroup Escort Mayla to meet up with Lasan outside of Thunder Totem. Some really shocking news. If Walmart truly had slaves, the slaves wouldn't have a choice here. I understand liking the Legion in that they're an interesting faction, but as a rule I don't trust anyone who thinks they're not pure evil. ", you just do it. [–]MrFredCDobbsOld World Flag -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children). [–]Swampeyaway1 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]huntimir151 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). seriously confused. [–]Motherdragon64Chandler Bing 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children). Reminds me of Breakpoint. ", The argument is essentially, "the legion is bad and do things the wrong way. Boones wife, for one. Las Vegas' economy has been hit hard. He only outlawed technology which he believed made people weak. It wouldn't make sense for him to give a foreigner power so soon, but it'd be cool if you could genuinely join the Legion and earn his trust. [–]terminbee 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (4 children). Because legions were not permanent units until the Marian reforms (c. 107 BC), and were instead created, used, and disbanded again, several hundred legions were named and numbered throughout Roman history. Apply this to any situation. and slowly turn the wasteland into your own kingdom by acquisition instead of Legion-like conquest and NCR forced assimilation. [–]JyuconceptsProud Brotherhood Scum 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (9 children). Maybe he "adopts" someone as an heir like Julius Caesar adopted Augustus. [+]Vault121 comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points 3 years ago (13 children). It's why I love it so much. And he outlawed all use of modern medicine (except for when he needs it) and any advanced technology that could improve everyone's lives. [–]bldarkmanBrotherhood 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (3 children), I don't think you can fast-travel out of the Legion camp, [–]BosnianSupermanTunnel Snakes Rule! Obsidian was very short on time so they had to slap something together in a hurry. Solicitors in Ilford, Essex. Catch is if you're not a civilian - then you're military or slave. User Info: beans_please. [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (4 children). One thing I always think about, though, is how Yes Man says he is going away to become "more assertive". If their group interests you, it is possible to join their ranks and serve under Caesar. I sided with them during my evil play through of the game. Ceasar cannot advance in such a war. But that's not why I made this thread and why you clicked on it. Josh Sawyer admitted that the way they ended up portraying the Legion wasn't what they intended to, and most of the content had to be cut from the game. It's part of the reason why traders keep coming: the Legion has good deals. So the best course of action would be to squash the rebellion, restore order, and one day, drive the Russian invaders from your land. Fallout 4 already has many opportunities to craft, but it goes one step further and allows the player to establish new settlements or take control and manage existing ones, effectively recolonizing and civilizing the Commonwealth, one settlement at a time. vDialogueN_GREETING_001754D3_1 Topic GREETING GREETING Honored to speak with you, … It's why people also say it is a very easy choice to make not to pick the Legion: of course it will be easy if you think "sexist and crucifixion obsessed slavers" is all there is to them. All Discussions ... Perception- 9 The Legion must know when someone or something is nearby to defend themself and attack the creature or person. (Historical Propriety. Let me give you a modern day example: Let's say Germany under Angela Merkel invades and occupies Poland. Yes they occasionally harass caravans but it's not without retribution. A fallout game with certain enemies so tough you cannot kill them before they kill you, like SWATs or something, to police would create a much more interesting atmosphere. Who knows what plans Caesar has for his empire were he to claim New Vegas as his capital? Rather than selfish greed or lust for power, his motivations revolve around improving the post-war world, gathering the scattered tribes beneath one flag and organizing them into a unified force (he does have a selfish side, don't get me wrong, but its more subdued). That being said, Caesar defends himself very well, and is able to get across his vision and why he thinks it will improve lives very well. Of course this security comes at a very steep price but it might be worth the trade off for ordinary people that lack the Courier's skill in combat. Last Defense Eliminate the lieutenant leading the assault. You have a point. A fast and easy way to level up and become Idolized by the Legion with out killing NCR troops or having to do any of the legion quest line. [–]SerDagon 120 points121 points122 points 3 years ago (1 child). Secondly the Viet Cong were fighting a defensive insurgents war. The Legion was originally supposed to have a lot more presence than they do, but most of their content was cut in order to meet production deadlines, so they're basically an incomplete faction. I'll preface this with the fact I'm indifferent to NV (played it, liked it, not my favorite Fallout though), just in case the "rose tinted glasses" argument comes up. [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children). To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace. That's why its morally gray--the first we can point to say "he's evil! And in an area as barren and hostile as the Mojave, any big standing army needs a lot of supplies coming in, so they had better have something to bargain with! You are trying to destroy the oil rig, so he tries to stop you. You see that and assume they're evil just like when you were brainwashed growing up with everyone telling you what to believe. All I've ever seen are ones were the bad guys touch their evil moustaches and laugh out loud. The reason why they destroyed Nipton is because Nipton was a place full of rapists and douchebags. Absolutely no harassment, witchhunting, sexism, racism or hate speech will be tolerated. It works the same way in the Real World, with folks who claim to support equal rights but are unwilling to break immoral laws to support those rights. [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children), I end the legion on every new vegas play through, [–]Langager90Bullseye 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). To me, that would've fit much better with the ending where you kill Mr. House and claim New Vegas for your own. It is a great defense against wrestlers as well as strikers who aren’t as adept in the art. You can use Fallout: New Vegas console commands to summon monsters and move items into your inventory. Use Lasan's War Eagles to reach the Legion Ship. At least Autumn thought he was doing right by the people of the Capital Wasteland. The ncr isn't just sitting on it's ass back home letting the raiders do as they please. Anyone else? I whipped out my .22 pistol I concealed, started pelting Caeser with like 20 points of damage at most, and just ran around and shot everyone while they tried to punch me. The Survivalist, a tough loner who plays on Very Hard Hardcore mode. It's so alien from what we consider civilization, and yet it stands very strong (albeit destined to crumble). The cruelty you see in the NV area does seem to be symtpomatic of their culture as a whole, though. For Fallout: New Vegas on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "I've seen a lot of people trying to defend the Legion, so... A question. and explaining how people argue that crabs are rich and full of texture. Posts with clickbait, extremely vague, or misleading titles will be removed. And killed every single one of them. He is basically what people see as someone who had the ability to gain power and control that fast in the wasteland, yet uses the methods he does to attain it. [–]Vault121 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children). but, i can walk in, and not do anything, and then they turn. If they overwork them and the slaves die, so be it. Hah. No. Caesar is trying to recreate Rome, but he only seems interested in all the bad parts of roman society like the torture, slavery, crucifixion, and decimation. The Caesar in FNV is not the emperor governing his Roman empire, it is the mighty warlord carving out his domain. The deserts in Nevada doesn't provide enough cover especially since the the Courior with some perception could find them (is that the Pipboy?). No, it would only get more stringent. Caesar's legion won't survive him, it would turn into a Alexander the Great's heirs situation. [–]Vault121 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children), https://www.google.fr/search?q=frank+horrigan+encounter&oq=frank+horrigan+encounter&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2j69i61.3189j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8, [–]Swampeyaway1 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child). Is he evil? Probably because Bethesda would be incapable of making them interesting or with any depth. Ostatnie wpisy na blogu. Seems like 24 other people agree with me. Again, you are still sticking with the present Legion and not the future Legion, which is why you still see them as "pure villains". The Platinum Chip is a quest item in Fallout: New Vegas. I love new vegas, and when you read the fallout bible you get a glimpse of what could have been with the legion, but they didnt develop them enough and what you see instead is a faction thats evil for stupid, shitty reasons that dont make much sense. There is one problem with the Legion though. If Walmart owned slaves, then they would have to pay to take care of them. Feral ghouls are creatures found in the Mojave Wasteland in 2281. I feel sorry for those players. Caesar wants to conquer NCR and claims this will change the Legion from a "basically nomadic army to a standing military force that protects its citizens and the power of its dictator". Which brings me to the next point. Obviously slaves would be used to build, to farm, to make weapons and armor etc. [–]MarxistSociologist 45 points46 points47 points 3 years ago (6 children). Ah, but to the Legion, the religion serves the ideology (with Caesar commenting a cult of personality is necessary to keep him as absolute ruler), whereas with ISIS the ideology serves the religion (with experts and insiders saying their leaders' goals and strategies are heavily reliant on prophesies within the Quran). I'm shocked to hear anyone could say anything good about them. I can only hope this was due to how under-developed the Legion was... Who knows, maybe in a different world, with a more refined game, Caesar has a son. I think Ceasar would do better if he fought an assasins war were he tried to train his people to join the NCR and then kill the higher ups. and join one of thousands of communities. What do all of the top MMA fighters have in common: a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Plenty of characters tell you that it will all fall apart after Caesar dies so there's another reason to not auport them. [–]AngryArmourAuld Lang Syne 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child). 1.) Caesar plans on turning New Vegas into his Rome. IMO any game that can make you literally hate the villan, has done it's job and is a great game. The reason the term "cartoonishly evil" exists is because no one in real life is evil in the same vein cartoon villains are. Or maybe the Courier is groomed as a heir. Yeah like 50% of the population is already screwed right off the bat because of the Legion. The Cult of Mars is taken very seriously in the Legion ranks. Civilized women under Legion wouldn't be treated as slaves. Get involved . [–]TheDifferentDrummer 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). Seen some topics that custom clothing don't show in cutscenes like Breakpoint bivouac. Caesar and Lannius repsectively. What the hell was wrong with the Frank Horrigan encounter? [–]HeavenAndHellD2argthe least scumbag group at least 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), they have a semblance of purpose for being evil, but i agree that they are pure evil in the end, [–]villianboyBrotherhood Paladin 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), Because they make the wasteland safe in the areas under their control, unfortunately a lot of their part of the story isn't there, [–]LasagnaMuncher 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Here you will find a Fiend named Violet with a pack of dogs led by Violetta. [–]MxPlumeOverBitch Wannabe 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (5 children). People like him because it is easy to fall in love with social Darwinism and authoritarianism when society breaks down and people are pushed to the limit. They have seen poverty, political instability, disease and war. -The reason why the Legion kills is because its for a purpose. Medicine. For Fallout: New Vegas on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "The Legion". Plus the heavier defense of places like Helios would require some tech knowledge. If Benny escaped from The Tops at the conclusion of Ring-a-Ding-Ding! Free our people. As usual, soldiers are fools & tools. Vault 13 and Arroyo were an infinitely higher priority for the Enclave, and thus they sent a lot more soldiers to deal with them. It got to the point where the mission where you HAVE to go to the legion I couldn't do cause I would get shot down pretty quickly. Always follow Reddit guidelines for self-promotion when sharing your own content. The Weathers family, too. Or could, even if they wanted to. That's like asking "Why do people like to eat crab?" [–]Bareyn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child), I thought this was the World of Warcraft sub at first and I was very confused as to why people.would defend the Burning Legion (basically a big army of demons from another planet who want to expunge all life from the universe), [–]HughesJohnEnclave 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), I was very confused as to why people.would defend the Burning Legion, basically a big army of demons from another planet who want to expunge all life from the universe, [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children). Well, maybe these days you can, but you shouldn’t. He's not like the other final bosses. Welcome to reddit! Altogether there were 43, ranging in age from 19 to 32. He also allows high ranking Legionaries access to the Auto-Doc, as he believes it will encourage them to rise through the ranks. The sale of slaves brings them material benefit. I sort of likened it to (with my very limited knowledge of) Chinese dynasties. We need enemies to shoot at, lest it would be a rather boring game and so we need some people who are evil with no complicated morals behind them and so we have the Raiders, or Fiends on FNV. [–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago* (0 children). Some people like order and law above all else, even if that causes the persecution of some. This made it look like the "Legion at war" is all that the Legion is, rather than part of a campaign. [–]dutchwonder 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Had to find an old save just to kill the bugger again. [–]SabyZNCR 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). It simply doesnt happen. Over 230 upvotes on his and over 20 downvotes on yours. It's the same expansionist evil you'd find in a cartoon. People are driven to join the Legion as much as they are drawn to it. The Legion liquidated an entire town. That is your introduction to the enclave. With Lanius basically being a monster who will tear everyone apart who is not in his image. The Legion state has everyone obey through fear. The arena is located directly below Caesar's tent and is comprised of a small pit with walls of scrap metal and an entrance gate. [–]Swampeyaway1 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (5 children). My legion run was bent on "yeah this shit is messed up. I mean, it was a huge part of Roman history. Yes they are villains, and yes they are evil, but they're not cartoonishly evil. All posts and comments in end, come down to moderator discretion. EspaÃ±ol - LatinoamÃ©rica (Spanish - Latin America), PortuguÃªs - Brasil (Portuguese - Brazil), Which is the best Iron revolver in the game. [–]ltsBuck 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). Morally grey? [–]AngryArmourAuld Lang Syne 80 points81 points82 points 3 years ago* (36 children). 1 Full dialogue table. Totally!" There is no worse humiliation for a fighting man, nothing more demoralizing, than to see his wife or daughter raped by the enemy. Thank you! Someone's analysis also read that the corruption is actually less than that of industrial revolution America. Civilisation is not quite the word you're looking for. What was your favourite DLC across all games? I love the Legion as far as lore and design, and I found them really interesting to explore and learn about in-game, but I definitely see them as being the obvious "in your face" bad guys and the NCR as being the insidious "pretending to be good guys" bad guys. It's been quite a while since I've last played New Vegas. The Mojave residents and ncr aren't seen as civilized to the legion, [–]MarxistSociologist 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (3 children). They raped and pillaged and enslaved and killed their way to the largest land kingdom, but that kingdom was possibly the most tolerant and safest kingdom, with "a naked virgin able to travel from one end to the other blindfolded and a pot of gold on her head", unaccosted. The Legion seems pretty heavily like the knights templar trope without the religious tones you typically expect from such a group. They are basically ISIS of the wasteland. What are you talking about? Elimination of all subgroups and ethnicities until there is only one: Legion. The Germans also import 10 million sub-Saharan African migrants into Poland without the consent of the Poles. As others have noted, it is the correct classical pronunciation—or as close as could reasonably be expected. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. I mean, the man had a cartoon-level strong chin. But no, the Legion is not "morally grey" in any sense of the word. Oh wait the Legion brutally massacred everybody who dared to oppose them, even for minor things like drinking and doing drugs. [–]HughesJohnEnclave 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children). A mostly peaceful, if somewhat selfish leader. Wanted to try a Legion run, just couldn't do it. The legion is even more expansionist than the NCR and they're much more violent about it. For example, around 90% of all NCR forces that use Power Armor in New Vegas, have power armor that is incomplete, suggesting that things of higher maintenance, such as a Tank, are going to be even worse for wear. [–]shorewall37 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (5 children). You need to read more carefully mate. As a U.S. Marine Corps combat veteran of the Post-9/11 wars, I was proud to join the American Legion. After the First Battle of Hoover Dam, Mr. House knew that as soon as either the NCR or the Legion became victorious at the Dam, they would turn their attention to New Vegas. This is almost never the case anywhere else. They just happen to be conceptual/storyline/lore INTERESTING fuckers. There's a trophy for killing him with a knife. And some people value competence highly. They made a Pax Romana, and it was great! They targeted Nelson because they saw it as immoral and full of debauchery, not for any military purpose. Primm/Goodsprings/The Strip wouldn't be enslaved. There are several reasons for them to use women as sex slaves. Or could, even if they wanted to. Profligate and Proud. That's why 'helping' the White Legs is a very bad idea for Legion supporters and also why the White legs are never assimilated into the legion. I do wish that it would've been possible to peacefully unite some of the smaller tribes under your own banner as opposed to just personally gaining their support (maybe even literally one you could design or choose from a set of designs, complete with a base/compound and an outfit/uniform of your choosing?) Imagine if you lived in one of those areas and the Legion brought a level of safety and security that you had never previously known. Slavery is extremely logical. Whether it becomes the same slave territory, just advanced, or a newer version, would depend on variables I am not up to calculating. The legion are brutal but they take care of their own people and whats theirs. The Legion needs fighters, and it needs a constant supply of them - absorbing small tribes from out in the desert isn't enough anymore to replenish the Legion. Less violent because they run shit in their sphere of influence, but the reason they run shit in the first place is because they're brutal af. And it's poorly written/make no sense. In that sense, I don't consider the Legion to be "what we got" over "what it is". They crucify in hopes that it will deter people, and bring law and order to the wastes. But if thats true, why wasn't the legion in (or even mentioned in) Fallout 3? They get to focus on the human well-being rather than the human-survival. The answer was, "because they're an exceptionally well written faction". The Legion is, at its heart, a society of the strong, collected from past societies for the purpose of diversity and growth. Yeh, and what do we see these slaves do in game exactly? Who would you support? Not that I'm pro-Legion. I think the reason people don't see Caesar as evil is because Caesar is such a well-written villain. Reasons to support the Empire: To add to your argument about Caesar's death, and the supposed resulting instability that would follow. It's the same expansionist evil you'd find in a cartoon. You paid for the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge. The Institute is cold and unfeeling for damning the Commonwealth above but they also do hold one of the best hopes for humanity even if they're going about it wrong. 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